Navigating a Racial and Global Pandemic, COVID-19

By Brook Landeo

Last month, the World Health Organization (WHO) gave us some language around what to call the global virus, SARS-CoV-2, that continues to impact us all. This organization shared the acronym, “COVID-19” that stands for Coronavirus disease of 2019, which is the disease caused by the virus. The few times that I allowed myself to tune into social media, I saw and heard this name, “COVID-19” being referenced in relation to social distancing in the majority of media outlets. It was not until I listened to one of the White House’s Coronavirus Task Force briefings that I heard the names, “Chinese and China virus” being used to reference the Coronavirus disease of 2019. I later saw a Facebook post by the Asian American Studies Program at UW-Madison that showed the phrase, “It’s from China #ChineseVirus” written in chalk on a sidewalk on State Street in Madison. These references angered me, and I reflected on why COVID-19 was now being called something other than the name it was given by the WHO.

Certainly, this is not the first time a disease has been associated with a location or ethnicity. For example, the 1918 flu pandemic took on the name, “The Spanish flu”. According to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (2019), there is not universal consensus regarding where “The Spanish Flu” originated, but it spread globally to the United States and other countries in Europe and Asia at the end of World War I. Another virus that was named in relation to its location of origin is the Zika virus. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (2019) “The Zika virus was first discovered in 1947 and is named after the Zika Forest in Uganda. Outbreaks of Zika have been reported in tropical Africa, Southeast Asia, and the Pacific Islands.”

After getting into researcher mode to look up all these cool facts for all of you, I realized two things at face value. The first realization that I had was that the names of these viruses were given MANY years ago! “The Spanish flu” was given its name in 1918, and the Zika virus was named in 1947. Although this may have been a popular method of naming diseases many decades ago, we now live in 2020 and have the capacity to evolve over time with a new way of thinking, and at the very least, a new scientific and methodical way of naming global diseases. My second realization was that these names did not accurately describe the locations or ethnicities that they were named after. The Spanish flu impacted millions of people globally, so if the origins of The Spanish Flu were actually tied to Spain, it really did not matter because people of all ethnicities across the globe were also being impacted. The Zika virus exists in several countries as well, so again, the reference to the location of origin is not relevant. These were two reasons, at face value, why the reference to “Chinese and China virus” did not make sense, but this way of thinking didn’t get to the more emotional, human level of why this wasn’t sitting well with me.

As a social worker, I have seen people at their best and also at their worst, usually in moments of crisis. One thing that I know is that people are generally not functioning at their best in times of crisis. People often get scared and shut down completely in an attempt to try to control some aspect of their lives in moments of crisis. When people are feeling scared, it is very easy to blame others and want to hold someone accountable for what is happening around us. Brené Brown states that, “blame is simply the discharging of discomfort and pain”. There is certainly enough discomfort and pain being felt by millions of people around the world during this time of COVID-19. When people label diseases in ways that associate illness and fatalities with ethnicities and locations, people are simultaneously spreading more pain and discomfort, which leads to even more people feeling targeted, hurt and scared. I do not know about you, but this global pandemic is scary enough, and I do not want to be spreading any additional pain or discomfort to anyone. If we can prevent people from feeling hurt and scared by simply calling a disease by its name, COVID-19, don’t you think that we can all make this change?

Sincerely Your Change Maker,

Brook Landeo


8 Self-care Apps to Aid in Recovery

By Andrew Lopez

Mental health challenges can be overwhelming for many individuals even when their receiving the benefits of medication and work with mental health professionals. While mental health services in medications help greatly utilizing natural supports and self-care methods is an essential part of recovery for many individuals. Self-care can be very tricky though and varies greatly from person-to-person. A lot of people have a hard time deciding what self-care to use or have a hard time staying consistent with self-care practices. With these challenges in mind a number of app developers have created apps intended to aid individuals who require a little bit of assistance using self-care for the recovery. With more and more people using smart devices such as phones and tablets having these apps to assist with self-care enables them to utilize the power of the technology for their recovery. Most people nowadays carry a phone with them always and this enables individuals to carry their self-care tools with them at all times. It also is a discreet way of receiving this information as it is not on for people to be staring at their phones even for long periods of time. This greatly reduces anxiety people experience over the stigma of using these tools public. While there are great many apps that have been developed for mental health purposes the following is a list of apps we have tried and found to be helpful in many situations.

WRAP App (Wellness recovery Action Plan)

After using the wrap workbook for number of years I was excited to find out when this app was available so that I an easy way of taking my WRAP with me wherever I go. This app enables you to generate a plan to maintain wellness, stay on track with life goals, create organization planning on day-to-day activities, identify barriers and challenges and remind you of support and self-care methods. The app is $5 and is the only one on this list that requires payment.

Get it On Google Play Store

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7 cups: Anxiety & Stress Chat

7 cups is an app that enables you to talk with real life people who are volunteers that have a minimal training on listening and privacy. These volunteers are not therapist’s and the service that the app provides is not intended to replace therapy. Instead this app provides support from peers and a listening ear for times where an individual is not in heavy crisis and not need of professional help. I found this to be very helpful for the times where I could use support in between professional sessions. People can choose to become volunteers on this app as well. This app is free but it also offers a subscription that gives you additional tools for planning and skill building. There is also an option to communicate with her therapist over the app $150 a month. I have not tried the therapy version of this and do not have enough information about it recommend it or not.

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T2 Mood Tracker

I’ve used the T2 mood tracker more than any other mental health app and a been using it for at least 5 years. The app is very simple and easy to use an old enables you to track your mood and mental health symptoms quickly and easily. I find that it’s easier to have conversations with therapist and psychiatrists over what has happened over the week and tracking my mental health symptoms by using this app. By taking a quick survey that takes about 20 seconds your able to quickly record and tracked your symptoms and mood. The app enables you to track on a chart changes over time. You can also put in individual notes when you want to put in more information about that point in time. All of this information can be shared with a therapist or other mental health provider quickly and easily. The only trick is remembering to use it and use it often which can take some practice.

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Headspace: Meditation & Mindfulness

I’ve only had a little bit of experience working with headspace but I found it to be pretty helpful and a powerful tool. I found it effective way of performing self-care and working on goals. I find that in moments of great stress and crisis it can be hard to remember and practice good self-care but apps like this have been very helpful. This app is chock-full of helpful tools for keeping track of symptoms and working on specific goals.

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This may be the most creative mental health app I’ve ever seen. The designers created this app with the mentality that people tend to use apps more often and consistently if they’re having fun much like playing game. This app turns self-care practices and symptom tracking into a game giving you points and conquering enemies. I urge people to give this one a try if they are into any type of mobile games. Below is a description from the developer on living Gamefully.

“To Live Gamefully means bringing the same mindset and psychological strengths naturally displayed when playing games – such as optimism, creativity, courage, and determination – to real life. It means having the courage and openness to try different strategies to discover what works best. It means collaborating with allies, and building up the resilience to tackle tougher and tougher challenges with greater and greater success.”

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PTSD Coach
While I don’t have PTSD myself, I’ve taken a look at this app and found it to be very well organized and pragmatic. Here’s a description given by the developer:
“PTSD Coach was designed for Veterans and military Servicemembers who have, or may have, Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). This app provides users with education about PTSD, information about professional care, a self-assessment for PTSD, opportunities to find support, and tools that can help users manage the stresses of daily life with PTSD. Tools range from relaxation skills and positive self-talk to anger management and other common self-help strategies. Users can customize tools based on their preferences and can integrate their own contacts, photos, and music. This app can be used by people who are in treatment as well as those who are not. PTSD Coach was created by VA’s National Center for PTSD and DoD’s National Center for Telehealth & Technology.”

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Youper – Emotional Health

Youper is another mental health app with a very unique design. For those of you that use digital assistants to help organize and manage your life and half like this may feel very intuitive and easy-to-use. This app creates what it calls and emotional health Assistant which is a bot that has a conversation with you to talk about symptoms and symptom management. Users should be aware that they’re not talking with the real person and that suggestions made by the program are designed to be very general and nonspecific. That being said I found using the out to be easy and very helpful.

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Coloring book for adults

Mental health symptoms can be managed a number of ways. A summary who lives with anxiety I find that participating in activities that focus my mind can be a good way of coping with symptoms. The coloring book for adults app I find to be useful for coping with my anxiety symptoms and refocusing my mind. This app is simple and easy-to-use and can be used as a mental health app or just for fun. In my experience using more physical medium is a little bit more effective as a mental health tool but the portability of this app makes it extremely useful and pragmatic in situations where you might not be able to carry paints or other art supplies.

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2019 Success Chrysalis Celebration

By Alysha Clark

While walking into the Goodman Center for our Annual Success Celebration, I would have never dreamed of the participation and inspiration that came out of it.  Each year, Chrysalis hosts a Celebration of Success to recognize the successes of the Consumers, Staff, and Chrysalis. We also have staff available to serve delicious food, this year catered by Chipotle. 

There was time to socialize with consumers, agency partners, staff, board members, parents, and friends.  We then started the speeches. Executive Director Dani Rischall started by talking to us about different program successes.

Then Vocational Peer Specialist Matthew Strickland took the mic and invited people to share their successes in 2019.  We had several people share- from “developing leadership skills” to “working for 10 months”. We had parents share about “what Chrysalis had done for their child” and agency partners share about Chrysalis services being “night and day” change in the consumer’s lives.  It was an extremely inspirational moment, that we will all remember.

We then moved on to the awards.  This year, IPS Supervisor Amy Yonker presented the Employer of the Year award to Madison Marriot West for their dedication supporting an individual doing banquet set up and their great communication with Chrysalis.

The second award was presented by Employment Specialist Furman Avery to David Gober for the Chrysalis Achievement Award.  David Gober gave an inspirational speech talking about how work has helped him in his recovery and reminding us all that the work is never over- especially for David who will continue to work towards his dreams.

To finish the celebration, we showed off the beautiful collaborative art that we created.  Each butterfly has a written success by someone in the room that day. Now we have a piece of that inspirational day to remind us of all the successes in our welcome area.


By Linda Hansen

The dictionary defines gratitude as “the quality of being thankful; readiness to show appreciation for and to return kindness.” The saga of the mentally ill is a sad one for many.  Lives that are going well are suddenly disrupted by the mind in shambles which affects life in negative ways.

This is one of my journeys since becoming mentally ill. One day I started hearing voices that I thought were coming from my apartment.  In 2003, I decided to go live somewhere else get away from them. I would describe the voices as constant talking.  I left my apartment and was going to live elsewhere for relief. I chose to take the train, since I had taken some trips years ago.  San Francisco is where I ended up at and thought that I could get a job and stay there. But what I did not realize is that they had a serious homeless problem.

Market Street seemed to be a major area with business and shelters present. I quickly found out that being homeless does not have any advantages, especially when bathrooms are closed to you and food is hard to find.  The shelters were fine, except that I was kicked out for some unfair reasons.

I was out in the cold, literally with a broken nose to deal with in addition to all else because a woman at one of the shelters punched me out of nowhere. So then I concentrated on getting my Social Security check from Wisconsin to California.  This consisted of several trips to the local office before the money came to the post office.

In January 2004, I decided to go back to Wisconsin.  I was also homeless in Madison when I returned. Five months went by before a friend gave me a place to live.  I was out on the streets for one and a half years. The whole time that I was homeless, I was still hearing the voices and was miserable.  Help came for this also.  

The gratitude part came as I was settling into my new place.  I was grateful the whole ordeal was finally over and sent several letters of thanks to individuals and organizations that had helped me in that time.  This journey has taught me to be appreciative when things are good and to accept the smallest kindnesses.

Seed to Sales: Marketing

By Ron Roberts

Picture of Chrysalis Pops Flavors Summer 2019

This year, Chrysalis Pops added a new dimension to the process. They invited myself and one other person to join them in finding new ways to promote Pops. 

We explored a wide variety of marketing tools. We attended marketing meetings in some very upscale meeting rooms, and we learned and contributed some very useful knowledge. We went on “field trips” to several places. we took photos in front of graffiti walls and other interesting places that would look good with the Pops.

We visited Willy Street Co-Op to see the placement of the product. We thought of better ways to use that real estate and make the product and message better known. We studied products by other makers and asked ourselves what worked or didn’t work. Comparing our Pops to other brands was very helpful.

We met many times at Chrysalis to brainstorm ideas. We used the overhead projector to look at our web pages and other sites showing our product. Twice, outside professionals in the field voluntarily came to teach us useful marketing tools. 

All-in-all, it’s been a fascinating experience for me! I am amazed at how much variety we experienced, and how we’ve further grown the success of Chrysalis Pops!

Seed to Sales: Marketplace

By Ron Roberts

Ron selling Chrysalis Pops at the Willy St. Fair.

This year’s Willy Street Fair had four stages with bands performing and numerous vendors, including Chrysalis Pops. I actually worked a shift selling those delicious pops. So, I’m writing this from a more hands-on perspective than I did with the garden and kitchen posts. 

Despite the occasional rain and slightly chilly temperature, the Pops sold rather well. The four flavors sold well. I tried a Sweet Corn Pop for the first time and thought it was very similar to eating vanilla ice cream! The corn is subtle, though definitely adds a flavor all its own, and adds an intrinsic sweetness you may forget comes with corn. After all, high-fructose corn sweetener is made from, well…corn! But this sweetness is nothing like that laboratory-built Frankenstein ingredient. It comes along with the whole food itself as nature intended. I explain in my post about the kitchen trip just how well the whole ear of corn is used in the recipe. 

I was most impressed with how many people buying the Pops already knew about Chrysalis and Pops and had enjoyed a pops in the past. Someone even stopped me while I was walking to the bathroom and told me how grateful he was for what we were doing. I was confused until I remembered I was wearing the Chrysalis Pops T-shirt. Repeat business and recognizability–I’d say these are very positive signs that Pops is highly successful in its fourth year!

Seed to Sales: Kitchen

By Ron Roberts

After visiting the local gardens where most of Chrysalis Pops ingredients are grown, the next logical visit was to the local commercial-grade kitchen where the pops are actually made. I talked to a couple more of Pops’ employees and learned of yet another great local business relationship with Chrysalis.

The FEED Kitchens on Madison’s north side are about as young as Pops (5 years). That’s just in time to provide the professional, yet temporary work-space needed to produce the Chrysalis Pops. FEED is helping numerous beginning entrepreneurs get off the ground! 

There’s stainless steel everywhere, and the stove looks like it probably cost $20-30 grand. Employees brought out the needed supplies: virtually all organic ingredients and an array of stainless steel equipment. I was amazed at how much pure, organic cream was used to make the Sweet Corn pops. Only the best ingredients are used, and every ingredient is used to its fullest potential. Nothing is wasted! After the kernels are removed, the cobs (the part the rest of us throw away) are simmered in the pot with the simple syrup as it is made. What a great way to instill more flavor! 

Every step in making the Pops is done by hand. No factory robots anywhere! I took several pics to quickly document this.

Both employees/consumers of Chrysalis’ services shared similar experiences and thoughts with me. The opportunity has given them a foot-in-the-door to work, boosted self-confidence, and created some lasting memories of making pops, not to mention putting some extra money into their lives. They would both recommend Pops to other peeps with similar needs. Cassidy plans on finding more permanent work after the Pops season ends, while Ramsey sets his goal on college. Everything seems to be win-win+ for everyone involved here! 

Purpose and Passion

By Furman Avery

Furman and Karen on their wedding day.

If someone were to ask you what your purpose and passion were what would you say?  If you had asked me that question about 25 years ago I would have told you straight up I had no passion and not much of a purpose.  Then three dates happened to me, the first was September 21, 1997, the second was October 27, 2013, and the final date was Jan 15, 2019, there was a fourth date but I don’t remember the exact date I know it was in early March of 1996.

I will explain the meaning of each date as I go along.  The March date is when I met the woman that would have a profound and lasting influence on me.  I had put a personal ad on AOL(America Online) for all you youngsters. I was living in Chicago and Karen Ott replied to my ad. She was living in Milwaukee at the time and we started a long-distance relationship through email and cards.  Soon enough we decide to meet in person, so she volunteered to drive down to Chicago to meet me.  I must say here that at the time I was a bit narcissistic as I was an only child with no siblings, so I was a bit full of myself.  Our first meeting went well enough, I tried to be charming and not bore her and must have succeeded since we kissed on that first date and made plans for me to come up to Milwaukee the next weekend.

Karen had two children from previous relationships at the time a son who was about 8 years old and a daughter of 17.  Little did I know these two would steal my heart and never give it back.  Karen and I swapped weekend in Chicago and Milwaukee until December of 1996 When I made the conscious choice to take a leap of faith and move to Milwaukee.  At the time I was a Network Administrator for Ameritech, the local phone company in Chicago. Friends and family were very surprised that I was doing this because all my life I was not a chance taker and leaving friends and family was not something I was supposed to do.  Karen had her kids so there wasn’t much chance of her moving to Chicago, besides she really didn’t like big cities, she said on several occasions that sometimes Milwaukee was too big for her, besides she was a manager at the Milwaukee Fair Housing Authority.

So, during December of 96 and Jan of 97, I went on job interviews.  I was lucky enough to find a job with Firstar Bank which is now US Bank as a Network Administrator. So, in March of 1997 I said goodbye to family and friends and move to Milwaukee.

Now the first date on September 21, 1997, Karen and I were married.  This was my second marriage, but her first.  I must give you a bit more information about Karen, she came from a broken family and lived in foster care for a large part of her life and suffered from both mental and physical abuse.  She lived with PTSD and OCD.  At the time I knew little to nothing about mental health or abuse, that’s when being an only child raised its head with me. Not thinking outside of myself only really caring about me. As I said Karen worked for the fair housing authority in Milwaukee and I got my first taste of being an advocate.  Later she went to work as the Assistant Executive Director at an organization called IndependenceFirst that was a resource for those with all disabilities.  This is where my activism and advocacy began to take shape under my nose.  Karen got me to volunteer for different things IndependenceFirst was doing.  It was also around this time that my diagnosis of major depression and anxiety came about. This is where I learned that there shouldn’t be any stigma or shame associated with mental illness.  I became more active in other organizations in Milwaukee and Madison that dealt with trying to remove the stigma that has long been associated with any disability.  I think Karen was surprised that I was getting so involved.  I first became a board member of an organization here in Madison called GEP or Grassroots Empowerment Project. I served on the board for over eight years, six as the board president.  In 2011 I think I was beginning to find my purpose when I became a Certified Peer Specialist.  Unfortunately, it appeared that I was a peer in name only as I couldn’t find a job.  My time at US Bank had also come to an end so I was doing security work at the Caterpillar plant in South Milwaukee.

This is where the second date comes into play, October 27, 2013 was a Sunday and I will never forget the events of that day for as long as I live. I was working the second shift at the plant guard a gate to make sure no one stole any big Caterpillar equipment when I got a call from my daughter, Karen’s daughter.  It wasn’t unusual for Christy to call me since Karen and I looked after her two boys Xavier 12 and Caleb 8 from time to time. When I picked up Christy was crying and sobbing I could almost not understand her. I asked what’s wrong are the boys okay?  Her reply was “Mom is gone!”  Confused I asked what do you mean gone where did she go at this time of night!” Over her cries, I heard “She’s dead!”  Those words struck a knife in my heart that I feel to this day.  All I could say was “No” over and over again.  I told my supervisor that the was a problem at home with my wife and left. The drive from South Milwaukee to our place in Milwaukee was the longest drive ever in my life.  I get home and the neighborhood is lit up with police cars, fire department trucks and an ambulance.  I walk in the house and there is Karen laying on the sofa like she was sleep.  Our son Deion was crying, Christy was crying, Caleb was nowhere to be seen and Xavier looked like his whole world had collapsed.  Later I would learn that Xavier is the one that found her when he tried to say goodnight to her and she wasn’t responsive, he had waited ten to fifteen minutes before telling his mom about her. The next week and a half was a blur to me. I remember the funeral, but not much else. Needless to say, that Thanksgiving and Christmas had little meaning to us.  To add to the misery Christy was to graduate from Averno College on Dec 21st which was also Karen’s birthday.  From the loss of Karen, my passion was beginning to become clearer.  In Feb of 2014, I found a job as a Peer Specialist with the Guesthouse of Milwaukee, during the interview I could feel Karen’s presence with me. So now the purpose was clear to me and written in stone in front of me to make Karen proud of what she had started in me to think outside of me and care for others that may not be as fortunate as me.  To give back to the community to make it better.  I will boldly admit that the man I am today is a direct result of knowing and loving Karen.  Without her, I wouldn’t be writing this I wouldn’t even be in Wisconsin.

So now we come to the last date where it all comes together. January 15, 2019, I’m working at Chrysalis as an Employment Specialist It’s about 8:30 and I had just poured my first cup of coffee and was going to start doing some paperwork when I needed to go to the bathroom.  So, I’m sitting there and I notice my heart is beating fast and loud I can almost hear it. I try to stand and get very lightheaded and almost passed out.  I managed to make it out of the bathroom and was headed to my desk when the lights in me went out and I collapsed and fell into the door my supervisor scaring the living daylights out her. Quick thinking by my coworkers calling 911 and the fire house being only a few blocks away I was taken to the hospital. It was here that I learned that I had a PE or a Pulmonary Embolism. There was a huge blood clot between my heart and lungs and my heart rate was over 160 beats as my heart tried to pump the blood it wasn’t getting because of the clot.  I was put on clot busting medication to get rid of the clot.  Later doctors told me that the quick thing of coworkers saved my life, if I had been home alone I wouldn’t have though much to it and gotten up and continued doing what I was doing. Worse still if I had been driving I may have killed someone else along with my dying.  I have to take blood thinning medication for the rest of my life, but that a small price to pay to be alive. During my stay in the hospital both my daughter Christy and my grandson Xavier talked to me about my mortality and how I needed to take better care of myself and that is when my passion came fully ablaze.

In short, my purpose is to be the best human I can and to always try to go out of my way to do things to help others, such as volunteering at my church’s food pantry and things to make Karen proud of me and my passion is to take better care of myself so that I can be around see any more grandkids and maybe even some great grandchildren.

Seed to Sales: Garden

By Ron Roberts

Ashley, Jessica, Amy, Ron (author), Tim

If you’ve ever been to one of Madison’s community gardens, you’ve probably noticed how much love and joy goes into and comes out of these organic plots of earth and produce. The Madison Christian Community gardens on the west side produce much of the ingredients used to make Chrysalis Pops. Chrysalis’ partnership with the Madison Christian Community is a good example of how these partnerships make Pops possible. Lots of produce is simply donated by the church and Chrysalis employs some of its consumers to work in their own garden plot. I got to visit these gardens and talk to two of the employees. 

Harvesting raspberries for our Raspberry Basil Pop.

Amy, who also happens to live in my building, was helping pick some of the last raspberries of the season. She told me what she loves best about this opportunity is telling people, “I’m going to work tomorrow!” She has been working the garden plot for this whole season, even those super hot days she says may be the only downside to this job. 

I walked over to watch Tim producing some of the high quality compost the garden uses. He told me he likes every aspect of his job and couldn’t really think of anything he didn’t like. His favorite part of working in the gardens is making the compost. It was the best looking compost I’ve seen. 

Our homemade compost nurtures our homegrown ingredients.

I enjoyed seeing firsthand the beginning stage that goes into the Pops process. The great attitudes of everyone there, both Chrysalis peeps and Church peeps, the beautiful nature, and the exceptional 74 degree weather made a nice first impression on me. I wish everyone who enjoys a Chrysalis Pop could experience what I did. They would realize that these popsicles are nothing like the commercially produced ones we all grew up with!

Chrysalis Pops Leads the Way

By Ron Roberts

Hi. I am Ron Roberts and I had a wonderful opportunity to participate in a podcast, Lead the Way with Anna Gouker, on behalf of Chrysalis Pops.

Anna Gouker’s podcast aims to find effective ways of creating change and inclusion in our communities. Pops was a good fit for one of her podcasts because Chrysalis works to break down employment barriers, building confidence, and emphasizes work as a big part of recovery for its consumers. 

Chrysalis Pops began 3 ½ years ago, founded on the belief that it was a great addition to the community because it helped place even more peeps in jobs. Employment opportunities are a core of the POPS social enterprise, empowering peeps and giving them a different way to engage with their community. Connections in the community are a big help with POPS.

I am most impressed with the relationships and partnerships Chrysalis forms with other people and places. So much more can be accomplished this way, and it’s nice to make new friends in general. Doing the podcast is a great example of this. It is one new connection for Chrysalis and Pops! Relationships are connections, and it’s like building something strong out of many individual pieces. The total sum is much stronger than the pieces.